There’s no denying thatBuffy the Vampire Slayerwas ahead of its time. Now, even 20 years after its series finale,the show still captivates audiencesin a way that many others haven’t. Its staying power has been so strong that it’s even outlastedthe horrifying allegations surrounding its creator, Joss Whedon, with fans putting him to the side and appreciating the art for what it was. Speaking with Collider’sMaggie Lovittduring this weekend’sSan Francisco Fan Expo, series starJames Marstersopened up about how proud he was to have done “subversion” work on not onlyBuffybut also during his run onRussell T. Davies’Torchwood.
Flipping through the years all the way back to 1997, Marsters said, “Back in the day,Buffywas offending people because basically it wassubverting the idea that women can’t fight back. And, back in the day, that was actually a surprising thing to say - and now it’s kind of obvious.” Mocking some of the naysayers of yesteryear (and, honestly probably still today), Marsters said that he would hear a lot of comments like, “‘A girl that size could never fight back! She’d never be able to defend herself!’” Opening up about an argument that he had with an unnamed actor from theStar Warsuniverse, Marsters said that he broke it down in the simplest of terms. “I do a lot of my own stunts, so I’m fighting with the stunt doubles forSarah[Michelle Gellar], every week, and the same size as Sarah – they have to be – and they’re triple black belts, and believe me, they can kill us within seconds.’”

Delving more into the idea of subversion, Marsters continues, “So, that’s subversion, where you’re divesting the audience of lies and falsehoods that we walk around with, and you make people uncomfortable when you do that. And, generally, Hollywood doesn’t do that because they don’t want tomake the audience angry.So, there’s not a lot of subversion.” Throughout his career, the actor, who played the blonde baddie turned good guy, Spike, onBuffyandAngel, says that he’s been lucky to have a lot of subversive gigs. “I thought, ‘Wow! I can’t believe that I came down to Hollywood and actually got to do some subversive art.’ And thenBuffywas over, and I thought I’dneverbe able to do that again, and I got onTorchwood.”
James Marsters’ Run on ‘Torchwood’
A spin-off of the 2005 revival ofDoctor Who, the BBC delighted audiences with its sci-fi series,Torchwood, over a four-series run. Marsters would eventually step into the role of Captain John Hart on the second series for a handful of episodes, a part that he says he was “really proud of.” His character was the ex-lover and partner of Jack Harkness (John Barrowman) in the production which caught a lot of flack for featuring such strong queer characters. As Marsters said, “Torchwoodis making the point thatgay people are heroes- or can be. And, the lead character isrightout there, and just like ‘I’m gay baby, deal with it,’ and he’s saving the world.” Having bothTorchwoodandBuffyunder his belt has undoubtedly not only shaped Marsters into a better actor but that of a more well-rounded human being.
As for Marsters’ latest project,the actor can be heardalongside the likes ofBuffyalumni includingAmber Benson,Anthony Head,Juliet Landau,Emma Caulfield Ford,Charisma CarpenterandJames C. Learyon theAudible series,Slayers: A Buffyverse Story.

You can check outCollider’s full San Francisco Fan Expo guide here.
Buffy The Vampire Slayer
A young woman, destined to slay vampires, demons and other infernal creatures, deals with her life fighting evil, with the help of her friends.

